One of Davids shipmates knew the parents of Kates friend well and he knew Kate and her friend were anxious to see the sights. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Andrew Bagby, 28, was their light, their love, their boy. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah. MORRISON: And go she did, back to Newfoundland, Canada. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. Whom was also a doctor. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Instead, our system considers things like how recent a review is and if the reviewer bought the item on Amazon. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). It had happened almost surely the last, night they were together, and DNA tests would later prove that Andrew was, (Supreme Court exterior; court in progress; house exterior; Shirley and Shears. Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. Reviewed in the United States on October 1, 2022. He found that officials working on a presumption of Turner's innocence were more worried about her welfare than that of her son. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. "We had to deal with her to get to Zachary.". This story broke my heart. Kate and David Bagby knew exactly what they were going to do. Is it OK? Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. This is a fascinating,horrific and humbling read. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. They seemed so real and genuine, and showed more raw emotion than any survivor of a crime I hadn't ever seen before. But before that could happen, Shirley was apparently deemed neither, dangerous nor a flight risk and almost immediately released on bail, most of, it posted by one of her mentors from med school, a psychiatrist to whom she'd, gone for treatment after Andrew's murder. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. He, consumed by anger. Was it a tight bond? With Shirley Turner out of jail it was time for the Bagbys to clench their teeth again. Cpl. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? (Photo of Shirley; "Canada" on building; T.J. Shears walking), Mr. T.J. SHEARS: My mom was just like, `Oh, hey.' Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. At 3am on Monday, August 18, Turner drove to a near by marina . For the Bagbys, Zacharys birth was the start of more than a year of renewed joy and incomprehensible pain. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. I couldn't see the point anymore. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. The Turner report says their relationship soon deteriorated. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. We don't--we don't gush very much. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. I was lucky to get my hands on a copy of this hard to find book and was glad I did. Was it true? And that was midafternoon. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Highly recommended. Then, upon. Sheers asked Turner to move out, which she did, but not before selling his computer and taking his camcorder with her. A couple whose son and grandson were murdered are celebrating a new law that empowers Canadian courts to refuse bail when a suspect's child may be in danger. The 10 most expensive reported home sales in Hayward the week of Feb. 20, Four take plea deals in wild Brentwood homicide where victim suspects shot each other, Feds charge two with robbing two San Francisco banks during the same day, One dead, another wounded in Oakland shooting. It was a congloption, Kate says of the menu. And this book was okay. (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. I lay in--laid there in bed a couple of times and thought, If I just kill her, Zachary will be safe. (David; Kate and Zachary; Shirley and Zachary). This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Meanwhile, Turner had a new obsession. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. They were living like students, says the Rev. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. But instead of folding, Kate became a volunteer advocate for foster children and started helping the parents of other murdered children. He has clearly done his research of the law and proposes many ways that this type of tragic event could be prevented in the future. They were forced to hand Zachary back to Turner and, again, tiptoe around her. ", Audience Relations, CBC P.O. On the film's website, David asks those who have seen Kurt's documentary to write to the Canadian Minister of Justice and add their name to his campaign. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. He just lit up when he saw Kate, David says. After breaking up at the final bonfire and ultimately reconciling, here's what David and Kate have been up to since Temptation Island season 2 aired. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. Customer Reviews, including Product Star Ratings help customers to learn more about the product and decide whether it is the right product for them. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' We finally got a baby.. I said, `Find her, and I think you'll find who did this.'. David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. They did everything they could, and more than most would be able to try to find justice for their son, while trying to care for Zachary in the worst possible circumstances. Dance with the Devil is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. (Newfoundland; Shears driving; photo of Shirley and Zachary; water at night; Mr. SHEARS: She said Zachary was being fussy and that just driving him, around would calm him down. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. And in the meantime, without that crucial piece of evidence to charge her with Andrew's murder, Shirley Turner quietly left US soil and returned home to Newfoundland. They drowned Aug. 18, 2003, in what was ruled a murder-suicide. Everyone could see how far off the deep end Shirley Turner was, including the very justice system that continued to set her free and place an innocent child in her arms. My gut just churned. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. As the police searched for Turner and Zachary through the day on Aug. 18, Kate and David waited in their apartment with the Rev. On Nov. 3, Andrew drove Turner to the Arnold Palmer Regional Airport. Andrew Bagby was an easygoing man with a wide circle of friends who found it almost impossible to say no to people. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. Father murdered. He was the whole world to them. So he came straight for me. Turner, despite being under orders to avoid contact with the couple, sent them photographs of the baby and a "baby book" so they could fill out their side of a family tree. Kate says everything seemed to be going smoothly, until here. Then, 8.5 months after Andrew Bagby was murdered - July 18, 2002 - Turner gave birth to a boy, who she named Zachary Turner. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. Mommy loves you. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. How could they let an accused murderer walk free? MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? The Bagbys couldnt imagine a darker moment than their sons November 2001 murder. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? He was developing a personality. By the looks of it, the two are still together and happily living their lives as a couple. As far as Andrew was concerned, the relationship was a fling nothing serious. Meeting her at 6. Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. And a desire to write about a Canadian justice system that is fatally flawed. While keeping a matter-of-fact tone throughout the book, bursts of emotion break through and you can really feel the pain that the Bagby's went through. I said, `This woman was in town. And that always radiated through the house.. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. As someone very invested in this story, I am enjoying this book so far. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. I--we both did. And I said, `Who?' I had a job I loved. Tragedy, doubled Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Something went wrong, please try again later. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Mr. SIMPSON: I said, `Do not meet her in private.' Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son about His Father is a 2008 documentary detailing the life and death of one Dr. Andrew Bagby, a resident at a family practice in Latrobe, Pennsylvania. Two days later, at 5.30am, Turner turned up at his Penntment, sylvania apartment, having driven 16 hours to see him. show takes four couples who are having trouble. I wanted to read this book because I saw a snippet on MSNBC or one of those late night shows, (about the last 7-10 minutes of the show) that was actually the television version of what had taken place back in 2001. It was a tiring day for the toddler and he fell asleep in the back seat of the Bagbys car on the way to Turners apartment. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. Cpl. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. Than they are able to see a light at the end of the tunnel when she announces she is pregnant with Andrew Bagby's child, to be named Zachary. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. her. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. Mr. KUENNE: You know, he said--she said, `Look, I'm not looking for another husband. She flew back to Iowa in a rage, David Bagby says. Not only do you get the whole story of how the justice system failed, but Dave goes on to explain how it should be fixed. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Dear Abby: Why do they imply my husband is a freak? Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Just rage. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. "All I could say was: 'My son is dead? True, heartbreaking story of a son's disastrous love relationship and the son his murderer bore. And then, November 2001, Andrew Bagby was shot dead in a state park not far from the hospital in which the young doctor was a resident, and his devoted parents all but lost the will to live. Each decision is subject to appeal. This hope is brutally extinguished when Shirley kills Zachary on one of her visitations. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. Yes,they were innocent as well, but I feel it takes a big person to rise abouve it all and not harbour animosity towards those people. (David speaking to reporters; Kate speaking to reporters; David on radio show; "Dear Zachary" poster; Kurt editing video; photo of Andrew; photo of Zachary; Mr. KUENNE: I almost gave up making this film when you were, killed. Being from Newfoundland,I was well aware of the happenings in this book as they were happening. No one in my entire library system owns it either (30+ libraries), so I wound up having to get an interlibrary loan and have this book shipped to me from another state. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Since then, David has spent time enjoying the single life and reconnecting with some of the guys fromTemptation Island. As the Bagbys settled into their renewed life, Turner pursued an appeal of her November jailing. Kate, with her lovely British accent, moves between dry wit and devastating regret as she remembers. I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. Cpl. Add a bio, trivia, and more. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. And now a vindictive stalker had killed him shot him again and again until the gun wouldnt shoot any more and left him to die in the November cold of a remote parking lot near Latrobe. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire MORRISON: You're in turmoil at that point. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. MORRISON: Shirley, meanwhile, seemed to be preparing for her, extradition, and perhaps she was looking for a way to exclude the Bagbys from. Zachary himself was murdered by his mother as well. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on January 31, 2022, Great story with a big shocker i didnt see coming. If they had awarded custody to the Bagbys and not granted that monster bail Zachary would be a young man and Shirley Turner would be serving her sentence in a Pennsylvania Women's Prison. "The birth of Zachary gave us part of Andrew back," says Kate. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. She fled to Newfoundland a week after Andrews murder and vowed to fight extradition. The 28-year-old California native, a family medical practice resident, died Nov. 5, 2001. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. At least he might have asleep when she went in. MORRISON: After you found out about Andrew's death, the impulse just ended. Time to keep marching, as David says, in order to be there for their grandson. For parents Dave and Kate, the pain was unbearable? The couple had met in medical school at Memorial University of Newfoundland. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. I tried to console them, Snow says. "Honestly, that's one of the things that makes me most happy about the passage of the law," he said from Burbank, Calif. "I hope it will enable them to kind of move on mentally and enjoy good things in life. MORRISON: But as Kurt made his way around the globe, his tribute materialized into something far bigger, and much darker, than anyone could have imagined. It soon became apparent who was responsible. Mr. DAVID BAGBY: I threw the phone at the desk, and I jumped up and just screamed, `No! AN AMAZING BOOK WHICH HONOURS TWO AMAZING LIVES. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. Suddenly, the Bagbys were appointed Zachary's main carers. I said, `When do you think you'll be done?' Copious evidence against Turner gradually came to light, and suspicion of her was compounded when she fled the country to her home in Newfoundland. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. And I saw that night her malignancy. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Film/DearZachary. No question. (Newspaper rack; photo of Shirley and Zachary), Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) I am going to continue to scream long and loud, MORRISON: The Bagbys have continued a campaign for the overhaul, of the bail system. Unidentified Man #22: We will develop policy specific to children. As the months slowly passed, the Bagbys visitation rights were expanded. not only is Shirley Turner never held accountable for murdering Andrew, but she's allowed to keep primary custody of Zachary, ultimately resulting in his death. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. MORRISON: What did you think when you heard that? KEITH MORRISON reporting: He was everybody's idea of the perfect best man. They both rejected her, and she responded by killing them. It's great. David, the analytical engineer with the scientific mind. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. As Kate and David talk about their son, you can see the teamwork. Therefore be forewarned that the back of the book reveals exactly what happened, as does the book itself near the beginning. Tragically, this is proven exactly right when she kills Zachary. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Why? To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. Did. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. David Bagby, 61, has written a book about much of it, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, scheduled for release late this month by Canadian publisher Key Porter Books Limited. The decision was put on hold, however, with an appeal hearing scheduled for September. The two also had trust issues they were trying to overcome on Temptation Island,as they had both cheated on their previous partners. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. MORRISON: Coming up, Andrew dead. Telegram file photo. Zachary, I love you, baby. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. I truly commend the Bagby's commitment to exposing (and trying to bring about change) a corrupt judicial system, even in the midst of their tremendous loss. There won't be any question about, whether she can hurt him. Content-wise, this Is exactly what I wanted and more. When I was growing up, she just seemed like just a normal mom, Sheers, 24, says. Cpl. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. When we met him, we just melted as if it was magic. At the time, Turner was wanted in the U.S. to face trial for the murder of Andrew Bagby. The. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. 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